Edwards Completely Wrong

[Lin88]

Originally Posted by Blakr Hey blueberry, good to see you again. I keep reading about all the bad things Brad has done, but what does that have to do with this incident? Brad didn't do anything wrong IMO. Carl wasn't clear. I understand about give and take, but if Brad decides not to give, and Carl cuts down on him, how is that Brad's fault? Brad doesn't owe Carl anything. If Brad decides to race, instead of allowing Carl to have the spot, then Carl needs to suck it up and wait until he clears the car he's trying to pass, and not try to force the issue. If Carl does force the issue and gets wrecked because he wasn't clear, then it's his own fault. IMO, if it had been Jr that flipped Brad, I believe the call for penalties would be at least as much if not worse. He does have many many fans, but he also has many many detractors. The people that don't like Jr are always ready to pounce on anything he does wrong for a reason to slam him. I agree with the title of this thread. Carl was completely wrong in both incidents with Brad, but I don't believe he should be parked. Probation only for Carl. IMO

I think you're right on Junior. Anything he does gets a lot of attention. Fortunately, I really can't imagine Junior doing what Carl did. It would be very out of character, although he has shown some fire at times, so who knows. LOL


I think points and a fine would have been more appropriate for Carl... but whatever... I don't make those decisions.

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Originally Posted by blueyedfairy_1 In all honestly I dont see the big deal, You could blame the 1st wreck on either one, If your a Edwards fan then it was BK fault, he didnt lift... If your a BK fan then it was Edwards fault for cutting down in front of him. Now I want your honest opionon IF BK would not have flipped, would there be the same outcry to have him suspended?

IMO, no. It was a spectacular crash which got everybody's juices going. Also IMO, the probation was not enough. Until these guys who decide that the race track is the place to settle scores start getting hit with points penalties and cash penalties for blatantly and admittedly wrecking another driver, we are going to see more and more of it. And the sponsors will get tired of having their rolling billboards towed to the garage.

Payback is fine - just do it like men: face to face (without the helmets on) off the track.

[blueyedfairy_1]

Originally Posted by Lin88 I think you're right on Junior. Anything he does gets a lot of attention. Fortunately, I really can't imagine Junior doing what Carl did. It would be very out of character, although he has shown some fire at times, so who knows. LOL I think points and a fine would have been more appropriate for Carl... but whatever... I don't make those decisions.

Hey Lin!
The only reason why I used Jr was because of his popularity, If know Jr for the longest and I know for a fact he would have NEVER done what Carl did,,, I was just trying to think of a popular driver and his was the 1st one that I thought of

[Lin88]

Originally Posted by blueyedfairy_1 Hey Lin! The only reason why I used Jr was because of his popularity, If know Jr for the longest and I know for a fact he would have NEVER done what Carl did,,, I was just trying to think of a popular driver and his was the 1st one that I thought of

Oh I know that. :) And you made a very good point.

On another board, we were talking about what if Carl had been Robby Gordon or someone who is not one of Nascar's favorites. They'd probably ban Robby for life. I also had to laugh at some of the tweets I've seen. Kevin Harvick wants to know if he can get all his money back on some of the penalties he's had to pay in the past, and I think Kyle B. tweeted back that he'd like in on that too. Delana Harvick said Kevin hasn't learned how to say "aww shucks" or "golly gee" enough. LOL

Anyway, I really hope Junior would never do something like that... and I would be terribly shocked, and disappointed if he did.

[greg]

Originally Posted by Lin88 Oh I know that. :) And you made a very good point. On another board, we were talking about what if Carl had been Robby Gordon or someone who is not one of Nascar's favorites. They'd probably ban Robby for life. I also had to laugh at some of the tweets I've seen. Kevin Harvick wants to know if he can get all his money back on some of the penalties he's had to pay in the past, and I think Kyle B. tweeted back that he'd like in on that too. Delana Harvick said Kevin hasn't learned how to say "aww shucks" or "golly gee" enough. LOL Anyway, I really hope Junior would never do something like that... and I would be terribly shocked, and disappointed if he did.

Well for what is worth, Harvick did get suspended for a cup race at Martinsville.
Jimmy Spencer also got suspended for punching out Kurt B at Michigan.


While I still didn't want Edwards to be suspended, a case can be made that Nascars hand isn't a level or even one.
But the world sometimes dictates that, while I can appreciate Harvicks gripe, it can be tough to always make the right call even by the most earnest. I mean Nascar is just people like the rest of us, and you cant always make everyone happy, and this case is a prime example.

[blueyedfairy_1]

IMO I still dont think Edwards needed to suspended, BUT I think he should have had the same punishment that Kurt Busch did when he almost hit Stewarts crew man.. 100,000.00 100 points and probabtion until the end of the year...

I do agree somewhat with the let the boys have it.. Example of that would be, Edwards coming up to Jr is MIS a few years ago to have some words, Harvick almost wooping Edwards ass, get my drift? To me thats what Nascar meant by have at it boys...

But for the past 8 yrs everything that happens on or off the track has resulted in probation, point loss and fines. Seperatly these things dont hurt the driver and even together its just one big joke.. There shouldnt even be money involved because 100,000 to them is a drop in the hat.. if you get caught cheating, or fail post or pre race inspection and nascar takes point then they should be deducted after the last race of the year.. that would change EVERYTHING...
If you do something to warrent Probation then you should not be allowed to participate in the bud shootout, the allstar race and you shouldnt be allowed in the "playoffs", now let me explain myself about the "playoffs" you can still race and accrue points BUT the highest you can be is 13th place.. Unless of course the points deduction drops you lower..

This is just my opinion of how Nascar needs to handle some of these issues... any feedback?

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Feedback to BEF:

Points penalties yes, big time and with a couple of those, getting past the 13th spot wouldn't be possible anyway. Maybe make the points penalty even higher for being stupid enough to admit to doing wrong on purpose.

The money fines, though, I want to see kept. Before, all of those fines went into the pot and the drivers divvied up that cash by some complicated formula I never did grasp. Now though, that cash goes into the Foundation and is used for good causes. So what if it doesn't dent the driver's pocket, at least somebody would benefit.

If probation really meant anything I'd be all for it. All that does is the driver keeps his nose clean for the duration and if he doesn't, the probation is just extended. Big whoop.