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Old 07-09-2008, 12:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Yep 100% if you want to call it a team sport then it is the entire team that should be effected.



And if the first car doesn't clear tech, too bad give them ONE chance to fix the problem, if it doesn't pass the second time or the car can't be fixed too damn bad send them home!

I agree with BEF, if you are just the driver then no. Most of the drivers have no clue about the roof template, body measurements.Now if you are the car owner and driver then you should know if you are fudging the rules.
The owners should never get caught with a blatant rules violation. That is why they pay the BIG money to the crew chiefs and car chiefs.
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Aren't the drivers standings a direct reflection of what the TEAM does as a whole, good or bad?
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Old 07-09-2008, 01:50 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Schwartz Fan View Post
Yep 100% if you want to call it a team sport then it is the entire team that should be effected.



And if the first car doesn't clear tech, too bad give them ONE chance to fix the problem, if it doesn't pass the second time or the car can't be fixed too damn bad send them home!
I agree SF...even tho it is not the drivers fault,its still a TEAM sport
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Aren't the drivers standings a direct reflection of what the TEAM does as a whole, good or bad?
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Aren't the drivers standings a direct reflection of what the TEAM does as a whole, good or bad?


that even thou it may not be hands on thing on the drivers part! But when someone says "THE 24 TEAM" I would say Jeff Gordon or "hey what about that 88 team" Dale Jr..... The DRIVER is what the team is about and I guess NASCAR is making it's POINT by going after the driver also....


However I do think the point peanalities for the drivers are a little stiff! This is just my
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that even thou it may not be hands on thing on the drivers part! But when someone says "THE 24 TEAM" I would say Jeff Gordon or "hey what about that 88 team" Dale Jr..... The DRIVER is what the team is about and I guess NASCAR is making it's POINT by going after the driver also....


However I do think the point peanalities for the drivers are a little stiff! This is just my
Ditto on the points penalties...but they did the same last yr. cause the teams were not getting the point to not mess with the COT
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I think the penalty is fair. If NASCAR wanted to show consistency, then they needed to be "stiff" with Martin Truex, Jr. and his team. When I heard that they failed the inspection, my first thought was "If NASCAR is consistent then the penalty should be no less than 150 points and a 6 week suspension for the crew chief"". And that's what they got.
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Im not talking about the stiffness or the consistency of the fine, im talking about in general, is it really fair to the driver as far as "driver" points to be deducted for something that is wrong with car.. Im not talking about everything.. im just talking about the way the templates fit.. IMO that has nothing to do with a driver.
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Commission denies Truex penalty appeal
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Updated: July 21, 2008, 3:55 PM EST

Martin Truex Jr.'s bid to make his second consecutive Chase for the Sprint Cup field were dealt a severe blow.

The National Stock Car Racing Commission denied the appeal by Dale Earnhardt Inc. regarding the penalties given to Truex's No. 1 team after a failed opening day inspection at Daytona International Speedway.

The penalties originally handed down by NASCAR included the loss of 150 driver and owner points, a $100,000 fine, and the suspension of both crew chief Kevin Manion and car chief Gary Putnam.

DEI did not contest the rules violations, but argued that the penalties were too severe for the infractions. They argued that rigorous checks and balances in the fabrication process were in place and could offer no explanation as to why the roof failed to meet the inspection templates. Also, they said the infractions were minor in nature, not deliberate, and that the resulting lowered roof was a disadvantage according to their wind tunnel findings.

The three-person board unanimously decided that the infractions were clear-cut, the roof was low across a broad area and that the penalties that were issued are warranted.

DEI has the right to make one final appeal to the National Stock Car Racing Commissioner.





FOX Sports on MSN - NASCAR - Commission denies Truex penalty appeal
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Im not talking about the stiffness or the consistency of the fine, im talking about in general, is it really fair to the driver as far as "driver" points to be deducted for something that is wrong with car.. Im not talking about everything.. im just talking about the way the templates fit.. IMO that has nothing to do with a driver.
I didnt hear that from ya last season when it happened to JJ and JG
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